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Hi... I am in 2wws and I dont really think much about my chart. Just let nature takes its course and hoping this is a good month. I believe I am 4dpo (o'd at around cd16)

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By: Squirly On: Feb 23, 2006  6:29PM

Yeah, I'm not sure what to think, but it's worth a try, right? I forgot to mention that the doctor did say that 75% of women who use this method get pregnant w/in 2 months of getting the help they need. I guess that would mean if they find the problem, such as LPD or something. So that was encouraging!

Brandy...I don't remember how long you said your cycles usually are, but I O'd really late last month, day 23, so it is possible that unfortunately you're just starting the 2ww! The only good thing is that it might mean there's still hope! :)

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By: Sam On: Feb 23, 2006  10:07AM

That is interesting concept of charting. Keep us posted about what it is like. Sam 9dpo

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By: brandy1982 On: Feb 23, 2006  8:31AM

oh wow. well, good luck and that sounds really interesting. i'm interested to know if it does work. let us know. Brandy c3

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By: Squirly On: Feb 23, 2006  7:59AM

Ok, I just got home from my dr's visit. Very interesting...I'm kinda torn as to what to do, but let me try to convey what he told me. This whole way of charting is based solely on CM. Evidently this company (I guess that's how I'd describe it) has done extensive research on just the CM and so when you chart, it's very detailed as to what the CM is. From what this doctor said, using the term "eggwhite" can be somewhat deceiving. For some people eggwhite is clear, others it means cloudy, some have ew that stretches 1 in, others have ew that stretches 3 in. According to him, this all indicates certain things. So, he says that it pinpoints exactly what day you ovulate, where with temping, it can still vary by a day or so depending on your body. What he said made sense, but the drawback is that there's some upfront cost associated with charting this way. I have to meet with a certified person to teach me all the details of charting so specifically. For me, there's no one in my town that is certified, so if I do it, I have to travel 1 1/2 hrs to meet someone. Then I have to meet again 2 weeks after I start charting, then again at 4 weeks (but possibly over the phone that time). I keep in touch every couple weeks with this person, then after 2 months of charting, my doctor looks at the charts and is able to determine what bloodwork I should have done to diagnose exactly what the problem is. I took my charts to him, and he said he thinks there is most likely a problem, but he doesn't know if it's just low progesterone levels, or low estrogen levels or both. So all that to say that I'm torn mainly because what he said makes sense, but it's gonna take some money out of my pocket to learn this system. But if I don't do this, my other OB doctor won't do anything until it's been a year, so that would mean I'm waiting until July to even start looking into options with him. So, even if I chart 2 months with this new system, I'm actually a little ahead on solving this whole mystery! I just wish I'd talked to this doctor sooner cuz then I could have had answers sooner. I talked to my DH and I guess I'm gonna meet with this certified person at least once and then we'll decide if I'm gonna continue. What a pain! So, I don't know if all this info was helpful, but I'll keep you posted on what's going on!

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By: homefireblue On: Feb 21, 2006  4:24AM

Squirly, first of all: best of luck and baby dust to you!

Thanks for the link to that site. It looked a bit commercial and like something you could do on your own (but it's hard to tell just by looking at the site). Please let us know what you think of that after you meet with your doc. I'm really curious!

-Blue 11dpo

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By: Squirly On: Feb 20, 2006  11:23AM

oops, the web address I mentioned is creightonmodel.com, not creightonmethod. Sorry!

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By: Squirly On: Feb 20, 2006  11:11AM

Well, I ended up talking to our family doctor, who also does ob work, and he said he is actually working on getting some special certification on fertility issues. So, I was encouraged. Long story short, just from talking on the phone, he wants me to chart for another 2 months using some special method or something that he is going to show me. But, from the info I gave him, he said it sounds to him like I definitely have a LPD, and that it is most likely from lack of progesterone. So, I meet with him in person on Thursday to show him the charts I already have & we'll probably talk some more. He told me to go to creightonmethod.com to check out the charting. I haven't done that yet, but I'll probably check it out this afternoon. I am 31, and my regular OB doctor wanted to wait a year before checking things out, which was fine, but knowing that my LP has been short made me think maybe I should look into it sooner. I am kinda glad I will chart 2 more months before we actually do anything because I didn't really want a Dec. or Jan. baby, but of course if it happens, that's fine. Just would be better if it came later at this point. Sorry this is so long, but figured I'd update everyone on what I found out so far. Good luck to everyone!

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By: Saber4 On: Feb 20, 2006  10:02AM

Squirly,

Before I was pg with dd, my dh and I tried for over a year with no luck. Of course, dr had collected some of my blood and dh's sperm anaylsis. All came normal. Then, I went for HSG (to check if tubes are clear which it came normal). So, I was put on clomid for three months with no success. Took few months break and then I got pregnant! So, I believe it has to do with timing.... Now, my dd will be 3 this coming May and we both have been trying for 7 months and no luck. It looks like I may have to go through another workup if I dont get pg by August.

I wish you all best of luck!!

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By: Sam On: Feb 18, 2006  4:04AM

Jessie, After 10 years tcc we finally got the infertility workup. DH starts with a semen anaysis & you start with an u/s and a crapload of bloodwork (it's like 8-10 vials of blood) and then comes the testing. Here is alink to a good article about how it all goes (it's long though) but it really has helped me to know what to expect at each step in the testing. Good luck to you. http://www.webmd.com/content/article/88/99730.htm Sam

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By: jessie0203 On: Feb 17, 2006  6:35PM

Squirly, i read that taking prenatal vitamins before pregnancy helps with morning sickness. Also , i would like to say that you should read about an herb called Vitex,or chastetree berry. After i took it for a few months, it shortened my cycles from 32 days to 30 days. It has also lightened up my cramping and my flow is lighter where before it was very heavy. Vitex balances hormone levels and legnthens LP defects, and makes the body produce more progesterone, and is used in aisa to treat infertility, pms, acne and more! Check out this page - www.suite101.com/article.cfm/5588/37523 , it will explain more. It has been a miracle herb for me, and it is one of the ingredients in dr Amos' fertility blend pills sold online.

Hope this helps!

Good luck too all of you!

Jessie

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By: jessie0203 On: Feb 17, 2006  6:11PM

Saber4, did you and dh have to do a fertility workup at 12months ttc? My doctor said in december to try for a few months more and we'd start testing, and i was wondering what it is like? Thanks for the support, you have made me feel a little better!

Good luck to everyone!

Jessie

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By: homefireblue On: Feb 17, 2006  7:44AM

I third Saber and Brandy. 7 days is mighty short! I'd at least go for another opinion.

Sorry about the ol' hag showing up :(

-Blue 7dpo - TTC#5 - Hoping for a boy!

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By: brandy1982 On: Feb 17, 2006  7:27AM

i agree with Saber. you should get another opinion. the normal LP is 12-16 days give or take a day. i'm sorry AF came. my LP last month was 11 days, but i am 7dpo right now and feel that it coming sooner than that. i hope you get another opinion. keep us updated. Brandy c3, 7dpo

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By: Saber4 On: Feb 17, 2006  7:10AM

Squirly,

First of all, I am sorry to hear that AF had found you this morning. Um.. how old are you now? If you are under 35, most drs would want to wait a year (natural trying). If no luck, then you keep in touch with your dr and from there, he or she start will run some tests on you and then maybe put you on fertility treatment/s. If you dont feel comfortable with your ob, you can find another ob. Well, I would be a bit concerned with your luteal phase because that doesnt give you time for the egg to implant. Try again next cycle and if it does repeat, see another dr!

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By: Squirly On: Feb 17, 2006  5:49AM

Well, I got AF this morning, so again my LP was only 7 days. My normal ob doctor says he's not concerned about that. Does anyone think I should get a 2nd opinion from another doctor? It's been 8 months that we've been ttc, and I'm getting pretty frustrated!

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By: Squirly On: Feb 16, 2006  4:53PM

Yeah, I've been taking prenatals for a few months. With my 1st pregnancy, I never started taking them until after I found out I was pregnant, and then with my 2nd, I started them the month I ended up getting pregnant, so I would say that they probably are helpful! I'm hoping that the B6 will help at least a little bit, even it if makes it a day longer, that will put me more in the range of being able to more successfully carry a baby. We'll see!

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By: Saber4 On: Feb 16, 2006  11:41AM

Squirly,

Taking B6 vitamins will lengthen your luteal phase in a period of time-- it maybe take a couple of months to see a big difference. Also, are you taking prenatal vitamins? I heard that when or whoever is planning on ttc, it would be best to take prenatal vitamins on the safe side. So, I am taking prenatal this month to see if that would help me to be prepared a pregnancy one day. I hope that helps!

Saber4

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By: Squirly On: Feb 16, 2006  8:50AM

I am also 6 DPO, but I'm still debating how long to wait before testing. I normally have a short LP (7-9 days) so I've been taking B6 this month so I'm curious to see if that helps, and if it does, I'm not sure how much it will lenghten LP, which means I'll just have to watch my temps mostly to see if AF is coming. But, if it doesn't help at all, I will probably expect AF over the weekend. Did all that make sense?? I'm just anxious...

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By: brandy1982 On: Feb 16, 2006  8:34AM

what day are you all on? i'm on 6DPO and 6 days until testing. Brandy

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By: homefireblue On: Feb 16, 2006  6:00AM

Sam, that's my guess as well. We'll see! :)

-Blue

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By: Sam On: Feb 15, 2006  10:18AM

Blue it looks like you ovulated on CD19. Hope all goes well with you as you bd the day before. Sam

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By: homefireblue On: Feb 15, 2006  10:11AM

Hello everyone! Still trying to decide if I've O'd or not ... may I wait with you?

-Blue TTC #5

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By: Saber4 On: Feb 14, 2006  9:12AM

Jessie,

I looked at your chart and it looks like you did o'd yesterday. Nice temp rise. Believe me or not. It took me about 22 months to conceived dd. I know its so hard for you wondering when you will be pg. The time will tell. Hang in there and I hope this is the month!!!

I am ttc for #2 for about 7 months and still no luck. So, this month I am taking a break til AF is due which is probably in a week from tomorrow and then from there, we will start ttc again.

Good luck, again! Saber4

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By: jessie0203 On: Feb 14, 2006  7:49AM

Hey, I am one dpo, and my husband and i have been ttc for 11 months now. I quit charting for several months but just started charting again. Good luck too all of you! Jessie

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By: brandy1982 On: Feb 13, 2006  9:57AM

i am also on 3DPO, here's cheer to waiting!! ha ha ha. Brandy c3, 3DPO

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By: Janmuus On: Feb 13, 2006  6:57AM

Hello Bine,

I am in the dreaded 2ww, I am 9dpo. We have been TTC for 2 months now after a m/c. I am new to Baby med, hoping it will bring me good luck. Here's to waiting. Jan

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By: talia On: Feb 3, 2006  2:32PM

Hello Ladies, i'm in the dreaded 2ww. 3dpo and was hoping i might join you in the waiting. Have been ttcing for 17mths and am on my 3 round of clomid. Anybody like to wait with me? Bine

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By: brandy1982 On: Jan 28, 2006  6:24PM

thats what i was thinking. thanks for looking. can you keep an eye on it and let me know what you think? also i broke down and tested today. i know, way to early but i had to. it came out negative. i'm going to test tomorrow at 10DPO with fmu and then maybe get a blood test monday or tuesday. anyways, thanks!! Brandy

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By: silver On: Jan 28, 2006  5:34PM

I'll be interested to see what it looks like tomorrow to see if it jumps up again. Maybe the low temp at 7dpo was implantation?

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By: brandy1982 On: Jan 28, 2006  9:25AM

just wanted to know what you all thought about my chart. please let me know.

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By: silver On: Jan 18, 2006  6:21PM

Tara - your chart looks like you o'd. I'll keep my fingers crossed for ya!

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By: silver On: Jan 11, 2006  6:22PM

Good luck! :)

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By: serene On: Jan 11, 2006  9:14AM

I found thermometre!!! My chart is started at least... and I had creamy/slippery cm today ...a bit early for me, but whatever! Back on the BD'ing wagon for us!

I hate those difficult charts lets your imagination go wild and then what can you do?

Chins up, its a new day!

Tara

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By: Saber4 On: Jan 11, 2006  5:31AM

Penni,

Your chart looks very promising, but of course its hard to tell whether you are ending up pg or not. I have been through several cycles and was hoping that this is it, but AF always surprised me:( Anyway, I am somewhat 9dpo today. This month, it is very hard to interpret my chart because I was sick with a fever/flu last week for two days (100.9 and 100.6) and I believe I o'd very early at around cd 10-11 due to peak reading. So, I will not know until next week.

Good luck! Saber4

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By: penni On: Jan 10, 2006  9:42AM

Hi again :) - Still going "strong" at 11DPO. My luteal phase has usually lasted 12 days so I'm expecting AF to come the day after tomorrow. We'll see...

All (and they are many!) the test so far have been negative, but I hope the next one shows more than just one pink line. The tests here cost about 5-8 euros at the pharmacy, but I use these cheaper ones that you can order online. I just got a new package with 6 tests for 13 euros, and these are the very sensitive ones (10mIU/ml).

I tried converting my temps C -> F, let's see if I can add my chart here...

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By: FluffyBunny On: Jan 10, 2006  8:49AM

congrats Carrie

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By: serene On: Jan 10, 2006  7:28AM

No, it is not pitiful.... I had to test when THEY were in the house too! Ha Ha, It is funny remembering my addiction...DH would search the waste baskets...I would have to do some serious hiding because we recycle and the garbage rarely has anything in it. He finally caught me and they were banned from the house until I could control my urges. They cost $14 a pop here so I had to get over my problem. I can now have them in the house but maybe because I'm not working now and our pennies are dear.

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By: silver On: Jan 10, 2006  4:36AM

Tara - I don't think implantation happened. Pretty sure AF is on her way tomorrow or Thurs. AAAAAGH! Ok, so I broke down and tested on Sunday (10dpo) and it was -. I know, dumb and a wasted test. But I guess I just can't keep HPTs in the house - they're too tempting! Is that pitiful?

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By: silver On: Jan 10, 2006  4:24AM

Looks like your body was working on getting that flu out of your system. Were you taking meds to keep your fever down? Maybe that's why your pre-o dip isn't clear.

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By: Saber4 On: Jan 8, 2006  3:58PM

Sorry, I havent been on for the last few days. I was sick with the flu and now my chart doesn't even make sense whatsover and still I havent gotten a coverline and ovulation date which I believe it was somewhat around cd 9-10. I am gonna give up charting this month cuz it doesnt make any sense:(

Feel free to take a look at my chart

I wish you ladies out there best of luck!

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By: serene On: Jan 8, 2006  7:13AM

I know, Oblivious!!!! They witness all of of it though...husbands at least, and its like they pull a "this is too much to deal with so I'll pretend it doesn't exisit" number. My DH is pretty good but there are days when I look at him and say, "Hello, have we met?"

But we get to be Moms and have those sweet little bundles grow in us...truly amazing, I still look at DS and marvel.

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By: silver On: Jan 7, 2006  7:35PM

Haha! That is hilarious - I've never heard of that toilet paper trick. I just may have to use that if I ever get into a bind and need something fast! Yeah, there's nothing like pulling a pen out of your purse at the store and a pad come flying out with it. Men have it so easy, they have no idea...

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By: serene On: Jan 7, 2006  12:12PM

Yes, I remember thinking I'm getting AF early which is very odd for me, I think I missed AF once in my life and had two AFs after only 18 days but that was after I had DS. I was so panicked because I didn't have anything with me and I was about to go in for my interview. I kept going to the bathroom and I remember pulling the old "wrap the toilet paper around my panties" trick. Ha ha I so prepared for AF now I'll be walking down the street or something and reach in my pocket and 9 times out of ten I'll find a pad or something like that! It happened today as a matter of fact! Quite embarrassing!!!

I'm not working now...I am an Urban Planner and my DH is as well. We live in a small town and he is the Director of Planning so I can't work for him. The closest place for my work is over an hour away and I would never see my DS what with all the travel. So we decided that I would have the babies and he would work until I could get them in to school and then we would look into moving to the city where we could both find work. I am looking into doing something in the man time but Since we are in the BD'ing mode right now I really haven't been trying to get any contracts.

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By: silver On: Jan 7, 2006  11:18AM

Hi Tara - Oh! I remember those days. Getting in and out of the car was hard! Do you have a "normal" job now that doesn't require travel? It's amazing how much working and not thinking about getting pg helps! Last time I was working and taking kickboxing 3 days a week and just going along minding my own business. Out of nowhere I had this dream that I was pg. It was the most vivid dream I'd ever had so a few days later I decided to take a pg test because I couldn't get it out of my mind. I hadn't even missed AF, yet. Stupid me went home on my lunch break and took the test (not really thinking it would come back +) and guess what? Yep, BFP. Then I had to go back to work! Needless to say I didn't get any work done the rest of that day - or week for that matter!

Looking back did you feel weird or crampy during your implantation time?

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By: serene On: Jan 7, 2006  9:02AM

Hey Silver: Well this is around your implantaion time. My last PG I was interviewing for a job when I implanted. So much for stress effecting these things...I wasn't really thinking about getting PG though I was really focused on getting the job. I did end up getting it but I had to leave early because y doctor was concerned about the amount of traveling I was doing. I couldn't fit behind the wheel either ( short legs!!) ;)

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By: serene On: Jan 7, 2006  7:59AM

Hi Penni:

I am from Canada so I know celcius. I kind of wish they still had the option of C or F on our fertilchart. I'm just starting my chart again (CD6) as I took break over the holidays.

I visited Norway, Sweden and Denmark in the summer of '94. I went to visit my Aunt who worked with Canadian Foreign Affairs. The long summer days took some adjusting but the contries were beautiful and the people were polite and very kind...looked a lot like some places in Newfoundland. I can see that the continents were connected at one point.

How much do PG test cost over there because they are wickedly expensive here I just try and wait it out...I know it is hard!

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By: silver On: Jan 7, 2006  6:36AM

Hi - I'm at 9dpo today and yes the wait is awful. Honestly, I don't really "feel pg" this time. But that won't stop me from testing anyway!

Some of the thermometers out there show celcius and farenheit.

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By: penni On: Jan 6, 2006  9:18PM

Hi Serene, No dip yet... so the temps are still up. Now 8dpo (I live in Finland and it's around 8am here already).

Would show you my chart, but I can't use it yet, since it's not possible with celcius yet... Unless I convert the whole thing :-D (Which I might do if I get too bored with this waiting ;-))

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By: serene On: Jan 6, 2006  4:18PM

What am I saying your at 7dpo...should be in the next couple of days.

Good Luck!!

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By: serene On: Jan 6, 2006  4:16PM

Hey Penni:

Did you have the implantation dip?